Think that if a .44 spl. Therefore, the conventional wisdom is that they must be loaded to a lower velocity. Any discussion of Bullseye is incomplete without mentioning a few of the downsides. I agree, an airweight has snappy recoil. Discussion: Bullseye is a faster burning powder and some people feel better suited for the .38 special. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. That little 9 oz. Pasted as rich text. The gun has appeared on TTAG before and has remained unchanged as far as accessories. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. As a young man, I came into a couple of cases of hand-me-down factory mid-range wadcutters. .38 Special: What I've Learned After 20,000 Rounds My point being is I used the resources I have, looked elsewhere (The High Road, The Firing Line), and wanted to try here. I'm looking for some recipes for 38 special for a 125 grain copper plated (like Berry's) flat point bullet using Unique, Bullseye, or W231. Canister Sizes: View All Bullseye Recipes Data will be standard "book" .38 Special data and I'll not attempt to "hotrod" the loads. Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. I buy 158 SWCHP all the time.my main bullet. This too is useful information. each bullet is different for oal due to a crimp groove on most. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.). I have the shrouded hammer version, the 638, and have been wary of training much with it because of its aluminum frame. 38 special loads - Bullseye Forum 2.7 GR WST IS TOO LIGHT FOR THE 50 YD LINE. Ethan Johns is a military professional with worldwide experience in specialized units. They are low because of swaged bullets. Alliant Powder - Bullseye Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. For 3 that actually doesnt kick too badly. Accurates No. This represents a great start, and if thats all you do, youll still be far better off than the majority of the population. The proof pressure MAP specified by SAAMI is 29,500 psi for both rounds. All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. Don't know of any bullets like that. Midwest Supply Group. MAGTECH 38SPL 125 FMJ FLAT 50/1000 I think the 158 lrn is more accurate then the swc but that's just me. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. Only need cast when driving up to 1200 fps or so. 38 Special Loads - Bullseye Forum To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. I too must be older than my years (35), as I love reloading .38SPL and have a S&W 442, S&W 36, and my most recent acquisition is a S&W 19-5 that is an absolute joy to shoot. I am loath to shoot several cylinders of standard pressure/velocity .38 Special 125 grain bullets out of a Smith and Wesson Model 642 revolver (or similar). Top .38 Special Loads for Carry - Firearms News . in 158 weight berry's bullet 3.8 grains of bullseye with a taper crimp. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. My Ruger LCR .357 Magnum is pleasant to shoot even with full pressure loads. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. If I get to see him shoot those loads, it would be worth the price of a new keyboard! This. 4.2 gr. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. The 357 magnum about 45,000 psi and the std 38 special about 17,000 psi. The swaged bullets are soft enough that they expand even at mild velocities where a JHP or hard cast cant. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. Ive been shooting them for 50 years. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. Youd just be risking ALOT firing it in a .38 framed revolver. Since we are working with a gun that doesnt have a magazine, we can afford to mess with this dimension at will. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. Hornady Taurus model 66 38 special/Bullseye/125 berry's bullets load test At one time or another, I also owned and shot a M38 Bodyguard (nka the 638), a M37 Chiefs Special (now the 637), a M60 (which is a tad heavier but no more user-friendly), and a couple of others. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. : 13,300 16,800 Starting Powder: 6.0 gr Starting Velocity: 1,266 .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. References: Accurate Arms Co. 1996 Reloading booklet Alliant Powder Co. Reloaders Guide (1995) Hodgdons Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester Reloading Components Manual, 14th edition Lyman Piston & Revolver Reloading Handbook, 2nd edition. I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. Thanks to all for the info. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. Load with 38 S&W data. Loading 38 special for best accuracy - Revolver Forum - Brian Enos's But you guys need to practice more. want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? My more serious RN is the 358311 that drops @150 gr. JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . Like Wobbly. I never really set my sights, in a manner of speaking, on the .38 cartridge like I did other rounds. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. 38 Special Loadings | Ruger Forum I just bought some 158 gr SWC bullets that are pure lead. Testing out some bullseye with 125 berry's bullets.. [.38 Special] is a very versatile and useful round. 1.455 in. Does anyone have experience with loading WST for 125 gr plates bullets or a place to start the research/testing? Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. Interestingly, I had pistols that would shoot one well and the other impressively, but have not yet had one pistol do magic with both. So . looks like today. SWC+GC, The Speers do occasionally and the Magnus a little more. 6.) Interesting. Bullseye Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. Boolit Grand Master. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. Hit the Bullseye with Bullseye: Classic Loads from a Classic Powder - SWAT I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet (1995) Numerous magazine articles on reloading special calibers and personal loads where noted. I'm still hunting for a DR load for my S&W M19-5. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! SASS# 85224. Some medium fast powders would work with lighter weight bullets. have been factored in, but Looks like starting with roughly 4.2 of W231. Enough that the range Officer at my range recognized them because the muzzle blast made a distinctive cat whisker pattern at 8 and 10, and 2 and 4 o clock. Unsurpassed for .45 ACP target loads. For best accuracy in slow fire shooting, you may want to raise gun before every shot. It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. 10. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. 2 and No. For those who have issues using auto pistils, due ti arthritis or other medical issues with the hands an LCR or 642 is a great choice. of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. I started reloading 38 special as my first cartridge 8 years ago when I was 22, soooo.I have an old mans soul? If you have the means, I highly recommend you trying one out. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. My hand ached for a week. I dont own anything in .38 special yet, but I have plans to buy a .357 magnum revolver in near future, so I already reloaded couple thousands of rounds in .38 and .357. I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. AA#2 is about the same burn rate, but burns much cleaner with less smoke in my guns. Main issue is that the .44 spl. Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location These were one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. Content . I am using this load in some .38 specials. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. Thank you. Upload or insert images from URL. Jacketed bullets are not legal for Distinguished Revolver. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. No benchrest, nothing but two shakey hands holding the pistol. You are absolutely correct. .38 will take care of nearly any critter that needs dispatching feral cats, raccoon, armadillo, even wait for it. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. The trigger has smoothed out over time. 2) Ammo that would work in the Air Force's Air Crewman Colt's and Smith and Wesson revolvers that had weak alloy cylinders. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. A longer case, with have a tighter crimp them a shorter one, what will lead to variations in pressure, and accuracy. Plated bullets are to be loaded as lead bullets. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. (Patrick Sweeney photo) September 15, 2021 By Michelle Hamilton, Field Editor. Dennis, I dont reload and Im only 72, but shooting the .38Spl in my 6 S&W 586 is a sublime experience. Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. 357 Magnum 35,000 Lord only knows how many cartridge cases I hammered with a plastic mallet into that Lee, it had to be thousands. Most DNR (Do Not Reduce) loads are well over 900-fps. Also some WSF. Your link has been automatically embedded. (For those who would. Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. By And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. The stuff you learn shooting 20,000 reloads (on top of thousands of rounds of factory ammo) can be pretty interesting and I feel that Ive got a very good picture of what the .38 Special. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. Wadcutters are tailor made for lightweight snubbie practice, allowing shooters to enjoy shooting the pocket guns. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). In a day you can make over 100,000 bullets. Reduce by 10% to establish a starting charge weight. For example, a Glock 17 shot the HAP into 1.35 inches and the FMJ into 2.2 inches at 25 yards. Maybe once a year I would reset everything to load up a few hundred .38 Spl for the wifes Detective Special, then right back to .357. hebyta A Tyler T grip would have helped here, but is incompatible w/ factory grips. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! Javascript is required. There is almost no recoil and the student can increase power level when they feel ready using the same gun. Totally agree. Oh, I practice with it. 38 Special 125 gr XTP American Gunner Item #90324 | 25/Box The American Gunner line of ammunition is a collection of tried-and-true, versatile loads that are popular with shooters for their target shooting, hunting or self-defense needs. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. I fired 3 Remington 125 SJHP 357s from a 340 and thought i had nerve damage in my hand. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. The .38 with careful selection of components can be the cats as* for almost any shooter. If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. Some use powders dispersed in liquids, some use electrostatic guns to spray dry powder on their bullets. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. She ran two cylinders of 100 grain wad cutters and gave it back to me. 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. In fact, in the past I specifically sought out revolvers chambered in 38 SPL only, knowing I would never be putting a 357 Mag in it (I carried a 4 GP100 chambered in 38 SPL as a duty sidearm in the early 90s). Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are underpowered for self-defense. This 1911 halved its normal so-so accuracy with 200-grain Hornady C/T SWC, shooting this nice two-inch group. Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. It would have been too hot. Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. I can not be held responsible for. Read my very long thread about "DR loads that don't suck". Replaced w/ Altamont laminated wood, and later w/ open- back Pachmayrs- the less-pronounced finger grooves fit me better. RN, 160 gr. And, oh yeah. Any clues for powder and starting loads???? I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. 38 Special 158gr. JHP Load? | Glock Talk Power Pistol won't work for me. When using a 158 gr. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. HAVE FUN JP. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. .38 Special Bullseye/148gr Berrys wadcutter???? - 24hourcampfire Most of these are at the upper end. But I think I was still loading the cases from that first box when I quit loading 18 years later! ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. When I teach other people the basics of reloading, I teach them on the .38 SPL. Thanks for your help. My sq. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. Too early Are you sure? I just dont like practicing with it. I did 400 rounds in one afternoon on my Hornady progressive. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. The reason I love the .38 SPL so much is because its so elastic in function. Their biggest use is in making screws and small bolts. I just got some clays which I heard was very clean burning compare to bullseye. How can I tell if they are cast or swaged? Home About Partners Contact. Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. The 4.0 grain load is relatively mild recoil and was accurate. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. You may end up with one "not" clearing the barrel. I have several manuals and some say that this load is a low +p, some say it is not, but it is very accurate. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp - The Firing Line Anything goes with bullets. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. Dont get me wrong: I think the Smith and Wesson Model 642 Airweight revolver is an outstanding self-defense (concealed carry) revolver and you wont feel/care about how snappy/unpleasant the recoil may be in a real self-defense event. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. 38 Special Load Data.. - Intoku.net - YUMPU Last I looked still available at Brownells. He has taught and been responsible for numerous advanced skills and weapons courses within multiple organizations. NULLI SECUNDUS. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. Accurate's No. 9mm 125 grain RN Lead Hard Cast Bullet. Jacketed bullets are legal for DR, as long as they are 158 grain round nose or semi-wadcutter. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. JHP, (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet). : 1.475" Powder: 6.0 gr 6.9 gr Vel. I dunno. The big medicine was delivered by a 1911, but S&W K frames (favorites were Models 12 & 64) took care of everything else. I was just trying to get a general consensus of what other guys were using. No sh!t. My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. I started loading .38s with a Lyman nut cracker and a home made measure for Bullseye over 65 years ago. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck. Not all guns are created equal. In 38/357 they don't list 105 gr bullets, but the do list 90's and 125's. Easy enough to extrapolate for a 105 grain . You need a .357 Magnum revolver if you want to try a 9MM cylinder. I find the Pachmayr Compac grips on my 640 reduce the slap of full-boat .357 to less than that on my 3 M65 (w/ wood Altamont grips) or my 4 686 (Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips.) (Or so I have heard.). Great gun with the best factory double action trigger Ive ever shot. The Model 19 is fine with .38s but mildly uncomfortable with .357s. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. Hodgdons Clays, International, Universal and HP38 are good choices.
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